joe? >> well, of course i mean vice president biden is very, very good on his feet, very quick on his feet. i think it was a very strong performance on his part. i think paul ryan did a great job also. but vice president biden is very strong. >> karen, let's talk about all that smiling and interrupting. your unvarnished take. do you wish the vice president had backed off even a little? because then we wouldn't even be talking about his style. >> the only reason we're talking about his style is because the republicans can't seem to take a punch. last week when our guy didn't do so well we took hit. we admitted it and we moved on. this week when it was a commanding performance for romney, all of a sudden joe biden is being rude. frankly, there were so many moments where biden could have further corrected paul on a marathon runner ryan, come on, this guy was so fast and loose with the facts. marine guards, as an example. they are there to guard information. it has nothing to do with the secur